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The only difference being that both secularism and the worship of money are officially sanctioned ideologies which have "regular" armies and governments to enforce them.<BR/><BR/>Also, how on earth would one hope to make advertiser revenue by publishing non-sensationalist stories of muslims who'd just as soon have nothing to do with fanaticism? Accounts of beheadings, honour killings and suicide bombings are what drive readership / viewership. Fear of the unknown is a powerful instinct, and has the power to bond people in a benign"us" against a malicious "other" sort of way.<BR/><BR/>Fallaci knows what she's doing. Appealing to fear and nationalism sells copies and gets bookings for speeches. If tomorrow's spawn-o-satan were decreed to be vegetarians we'd see just as many books and articles come out in praise of eating meat, and people with vegetarian-sounding pen names selectively quoting medical studies to show that vegetables cause cancer, obesity and pubic lice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02623959007665913102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1156212716726395182006-08-21T22:11:00.000-04:002006-08-21T22:11:00.000-04:00Unfortunately, many Muslims will not agree with th...Unfortunately, many Muslims will not agree with the impressions we have of them. Islam is a religion that calls for peace. Yet it's sad to see how many Muslims break the public's trust of them by their actions which aren't approved by Islam at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151391528493684952006-06-27T02:58:00.000-04:002006-06-27T02:58:00.000-04:00Kab bin Ashraf,That was a great summary! Thanks fo...Kab bin Ashraf,<BR/><BR/>That was a great summary! Thanks for taking the time to write it.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151352972334416502006-06-26T16:16:00.000-04:002006-06-26T16:16:00.000-04:006 disenfranchised Haitian-American Catholic kids K...<I>6 disenfranchised Haitian-American Catholic kids </I><BR/><BR/>Kids? They're in their 20s and 30s. Referring to adult black men as if they were children went out of style a while ago -- didn't you get the memo?<BR/><BR/>Also, will people who don't know what big words mean please stop using them? "Disenfranchised" means "deprived of the rights of citizenship", not "arrested by the Bush Administration". Jose Padilla has been disenfranchised. The Sears Tower suspects have not been.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151314940236446072006-06-26T05:42:00.000-04:002006-06-26T05:42:00.000-04:00You may recall the story of Jose Padilla also know...You may recall the story of Jose Padilla also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir, the hapless Puerto-Rican immigrant jailed without trial for 4 years and accused of being an “illegal enemy combatant” while he doesn’t even know how to use a boy scout’s pocket knife…<BR/><BR/>Well, you’ve seen nothing yet!<BR/><BR/>What happens when 6 disenfranchised Haitian-American Catholic kids from Miami do karate and jumping jacks in a rusty warehouse, and toy with the idea of converting to Islam?<BR/><BR/>Well, they may rapidly find themselves behind bars pending trial for “terrorist activities”: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez calls them a “dangerous Islamic army rising in our midst” no less!<BR/><BR/>In this, Gonzalez, the architect of Abu Ghraib, is true to the major tenets of the “Bush doctrine”: persecute innocent bogeymen while sucking up to the Saudi paymasters of Islamic terror and their numerous friends for sale inside the GOP and the Pentagon.<BR/><BR/>In essence, Bush and Gonzalez are re-importing inside the American homeland the practices they’ve experimented in Iraq, a formerly secular Arab country where they made a point of arresting and torturing Westernized Christian and Sunni Baath party bureaucrats while they deliberately brought to power pro-Iranian Islamic terrorists!<BR/><BR/>Once again I wonder if the Bush administration is doing everything it can to best ensure OBL’s victory…Dr Victorino de la Vegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03383153981550886276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151236463548959132006-06-25T07:54:00.000-04:002006-06-25T07:54:00.000-04:00The Quran on the Origin of the Universe: The scien...The Quran on the Origin of the Universe: <BR/>The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of ‘smoke’ (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition).1 This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that ‘smoke'.<BR/> <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that ‘smoke’ material. God has said in the Quran: <BR/><BR/> Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke... (Quran, 41:11) <BR/><BR/>Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke,’ we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous ‘smoke,’ they formed and separated from each other. God has said in the Quran: <BR/><BR/> Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?... (Quran, 21:30) <BR/><BR/>Dr. Alfred Kroner is one of the world’s renowned geologists. He is Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany. He said: “Thinking where Muhammad came from . . . I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case.”2 Also he said: “Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin.”3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151170452768156322006-06-24T13:34:00.000-04:002006-06-24T13:34:00.000-04:00It seems that even seventeenth-century Muslims fai...<I>It seems that even seventeenth-century Muslims failed to read the Quran correctly</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why you're equating "got their ass kicked by Europe" with "peaceful", but whatever.<BR/><BR/>But yes, you are correct that the Muslim minority in Crete, which would have been crushed by the Christian majority had it caused trouble, mysteriously forgot about that whole "Islamic superiority" thing. :)Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151156690972077962006-06-24T09:44:00.000-04:002006-06-24T09:44:00.000-04:00Cathy, Why don't you read "The Legacy of Jihad" by...Cathy, <BR/><BR/>Why don't you read "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom? Have you read that or anything by Trifklovic?<BR/><BR/>Have you read the Traveler?<BR/><BR/>If you don't have 'time' to read the Quran, read the Cliff's notes -<BR/><BR/>http://www.amberpawlik.com/IslamonTrial.html<BR/><BR/>I know it is hard for a liberal leftist to overcome denial. It takes time to flush all the lies out of the brain.<BR/><BR/>Hey look at what Servier said about Muslims in the early 1900s before PC/MC bound and gagged rational thought about Islam =<BR/>http://musulmanbook.blogspot.comJohn Sobieskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01954797087827357102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151130228408665362006-06-24T02:23:00.000-04:002006-06-24T02:23:00.000-04:00Does Islam (the Quran and other authoritative scri...<I>Does Islam (the Quran and other authoritative scriptures and writings and pronouncements) sanction the killing of the innocent</I><BR/><BR/>By western standards, yes. From an Islamic perspective, no. What Islam does redefine the concept of "innocent" to, for example, not include non-Christian/Jewish people who refuse to convert to Islam. Hence, as an atheist, I am subject to death under Islamic law.<BR/><BR/><I>and the use of state power to conquer non-Muslim countries</I><BR/><BR/>Islam supports the use of Islamic power against non-Muslims. Governments can either support this, avoid interfering in it, or oppose it; in the latter case the government is considered an enemy of Islam.<BR/><BR/><I>and to discriminate against non-Muslim residents?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, non-Muslims are considered second-class citizens, required to pay tribute to the Islamic authority, and forbidden from attempting to spread their faith among Muslims.<BR/><BR/><I>Many Muslims say it doesn't.</I><BR/><BR/>One should never underestimate the ability of religious people to find in their holy books only those ideas which they want to obey. Civilized society frowns on many of the ideas in the ancient holy books of the various world religions, hence followers of those religions frequently ignore the contents of those books when it suits them. Note, for example, how many Christians have somehow convinced themselves that the god who taught that homosexuals were to be murdered on sight now has no problem with gay people at all.<BR/><BR/>Really, though, if you have any doubts on the subject, shouldn't the fact that Muhammed is (a) almost universally considered the perfect Muslim and (b) on record as having led conquering armies to impose Islam through military force, enough in the way of empirical evidence?<BR/><BR/><I>And majorities in every country surveyed answer "rarely" or "never."</I><BR/><BR/>Do you have a link to those polls? Because, for example, I can think of at least a few polls I've seen suggesting that majorities of several Arab Muslim nations support the Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians. For that matter, how is it reassuring to hear that most Muslims think the murder of innocent civilians in the name of their religion is "rarely" justified? Civilized modern people fall strictly into the "never" category, thank you very much.<BR/><BR/><I>Assertions by westerners that any true Muslim just must favor killing us or that Islam is an essentially evil religion are inaccurate </I><BR/><BR/>I don't see how that follows from any of your assertions. Just because most of the world's Muslims don't follow the religion's teachings very well doesn't mean those teachings don't exist. Few Christians turn the other cheek when attacked -- but Jesus nonetheless told them to.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151115985963225862006-06-23T22:26:00.000-04:002006-06-23T22:26:00.000-04:00-- I'm not too enthusiastic about "moderate" Islam...-- I'm not too enthusiastic about "moderate" Islam, if "conservative" means "wants to kill me". What I want is liberal, reform, namby-pamby Islam --<BR/><BR/>Yeah, what he said. :-)Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151105295959313842006-06-23T19:28:00.000-04:002006-06-23T19:28:00.000-04:00Very true; but honesty about the harsher and darke...Very true; but honesty about the harsher and darker aspects of Islam and Islamic history is not the same as tarring all of Islam with the same brush and <B>denying that the moderate strands even exist.</B><BR/><BR/>Moderate "Muslims" there are for sure as they choose to ignore as you call the harsher or darker aspects. Moderate "Islam" is no such animal as it cannot ignore dismiss or even reform. Ask a Muslim please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151101271079827362006-06-23T18:21:00.000-04:002006-06-23T18:21:00.000-04:00Reading this main post is like being taught how th...Reading this main post is like being taught how the square peg will fit the round hole, its makes no sense<BR/> <BR/>standardised denial of historic and continued jihad through the muslim world i'm afraid <BR/> <BR/>and i would sincerly beg the author to read up a little bit more about islam before entering the fray against those that have that knowledgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151096997162037902006-06-23T17:09:00.000-04:002006-06-23T17:09:00.000-04:00Yes, lets all support Muslims and Islam and to hel...Yes, lets all support Muslims and Islam and to hell with the poor non-Muslims who live in Islamic dominated countries who suffer things we will never know in the west (let's hope our great-grandchildren don't as well), terrible things! <BR/>How about putting a miniscule amount of the energy you spend defending Muslims on that topic Ms. Young! <BR/>Here's some info about non-Muslims plight for the last 10-20 years in Indonesia to get you started: (Warning: Graphic photos)<BR/>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/index2.html<BR/><BR/>And remember, Indonesia is one of the places in the Islamic world that non-Muslims have it better!<BR/>The truth is that Islam as a political and social ideology is sick and flawed, look wherever Islam takes over, it turns into a sort of hell on earth...especially for those who do not accept Islam, whether they be moderate Muslims or non-Muslims. The truth is that Muhammed was a 7th century warlord, pedophile, theif and caravan raider...this the truth, whether it offends Muslims or not is beside the point. And if you, Ms. Young, wish to silence my criticism of Islam and Muhammed and those who see to be like Muhammed, then try, but the truth is the truth and people know in their heart what Islam is and what is does to Muslims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151095847292600542006-06-23T16:50:00.000-04:002006-06-23T16:50:00.000-04:00She claims, in a rather blatant distortion of hist...<I>She claims, in a rather blatant distortion of history, that since its birth Islam has had a unique propensity among all religions to slaughter or enslave "all those who live differently."</I><BR/><BR/>Well, calling it a <B>unique</B> propensity is certainly false. Claiming that Islam as historically been much more inclined to slaughter and enslave those who think differently, on the other hand, is arguably true. And claiming that the teachings of Muhammed favor slaughter and enslavement more than those of any other major world religion is certainly true.<BR/><BR/>It is also worth considering that when someone refers to "Islam", the are not necessarily referring to all the religion practiced by people who call themselves Muslims. In many cases they are referring only to those people who practice the religion revealed to Muhammed. For example, Indonesia ostensibly has something like 170 million Muslims, but most of them practice forms of Islam that Muhammed would have condemned and beheaded them for. Saying "Muslims believe in conquering their neighbors and converting them to Islam" is much like saying "Jews don't work on Saturdays" -- while perhaps false for most of the ostensible practitioners of the religion, it is true for most of the ones who follow the revealed will of their God.<BR/><BR/><I>My assumption is that the smear angers them and increases their hostility to the West and their willingness to accept or tolerate Islamism</I><BR/><BR/>I would suggest that if mere harsh language is enough to encourage a person to accept and tolerate Islamist murderers, that person cannot have honestly thought the murder of innocents by Islamists was wrong in the first place. In other words, the only Muslims Fallaci might drive to terrorism are those for whom her remarks were correct in the first place.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151048034492959802006-06-23T03:33:00.000-04:002006-06-23T03:33:00.000-04:00There is a germ of truth in the claim that "since ...There is a germ of truth in the claim that "since its birth Islam has had a unique propensity among all religions to slaughter or enslave 'all those who live differently.'"<BR/><BR/>Historically, religious intolerance <I>within</I> a polity is the norm, not the exception; Socrates, after all, was tried for heresy. However, conquest of neighbors to impose a religion by force (as opposed to an imvasion for other reasons merely blessed by the gods) is the exception; the innovator who came up with the concept first was Muhammad.<BR/><BR/>The idea, of course, did then spread to followers of other religions -- but only after significant contact with Islam. Half of Christendom had been conquered by jihad long before the first-ever Crusade; the conquistadores who spread Christianity by force in the Americas were from a Spain that didn't finish throwing off Muslim rule until 1492.<BR/><BR/>The result is that jihad would logically be harder to eradicate from its native Islam than from religions like Christianity, where it is a borrowed concept at odds with the basic doctrines of its scriptures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151029516846675732006-06-22T22:25:00.000-04:002006-06-22T22:25:00.000-04:00I suspect that the average Somali street vendor is...I suspect that the average Somali street vendor is trying his or her best to earn a living, stay out of trouble and perhaps raise a family. They may not be doing anything to "out" terrorists, but then again, would we if we were in their place? Interfering with violent people is a good way to end up dead, and no one knows that better than a Somali. They aren't part of any valid argument for or against Islam as a whole - they're simply convenient straw people for Fallaci to rant about.<BR/><BR/>Yes, public urination in cities is disgusting and shouldn't be condoned, but as I suspect you know, that wasn't Fallaci's point at all. She was using limited personal observations to make sweeping, specious generalizations about practictioners of a major religion. Cathy's response is exactly as pertinent as Fallaci's original comments, simply by showing that this entire line of "reasoning" is profoundly stupid, no matter which side you take.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1151004321565292182006-06-22T15:25:00.000-04:002006-06-22T15:25:00.000-04:00Point one: If Spencer or Fallaci know of any insta...<I>Point one: If Spencer or Fallaci know of any instances of terrorists in the ranks of Somali street vendors, let's have them.<BR/><BR/>Point two -- public urination as a mini-jihad -- doesn't really merit an answer, but I'll answer anyway. Apparently, in the world according to Spencer and Fallaci, peeing on street corners and in other public places is a behavior peculiar to Muslim immigrants. (Has either of them ever been to New York?) As it happens, I have travelled in Italy a lot and have seen a lot of the Somali street vendors. On two occasions, I have seen men urinating in the street. Neither of them was a Somali or a Muslim.</I><BR/>Cathy, if these are the best rebuttals you can come up with, it's a good thing you have declined to debate.<BR/><BR/>Your first response is off-point, and I'm sure you know it. The point was, whether or not the street vendors themselves are terrorists, the vendors <I>are</I> part of the Muslim community that harbors and in some cases encourages terrorists. They are doing nothing to out existing terrorists and prevent the recruiting of new ones. In this way, they are part of the problem.<BR/><BR/>Your second response is simply ridiculous -- your anecdotal experiences of public urination in Italy are supposed to carry any weight? I agree with Fallaci that such disrespectful acts are harmful to the fabric of society, anywhere they occur, either in NYC or in Italy. Just because you've never seen a Muslim in Italy peeing on the street doesn't mean it doesn't happen.<BR/><BR/>...and just because Fallaci has seen it doesn't mean they're the only ones who do it (indeed, she made no such accusation) -- but again, they're part of the problem.<BR/><BR/>I won't defend Fallaci's comments re blowing up mosques and all the rest of it -- there is no defense possible. That said, you need to sharpen your debating skills if you're going to tackle a subject like this. You're not doing yourself any favors offering such weak replies.Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06093453920666892035noreply@blogger.com