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You raise a very interesting question about breaks for athletes being to conservatives/traditionalists what breaks for minorities are to liberals.Cathy Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688616617444359647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-5884143606754265712007-08-19T00:31:00.000-04:002007-08-19T00:31:00.000-04:00H CathySO glad you're back!I'd like to see an hone...H Cathy<BR/>SO glad you're back!<BR/><BR/>I'd like to see an honest assessment of whether affirmatie action works.<BR/><BR/>My sense is that it has accomplished neither the good that its supporters claim, nor the bad that its detractors claim. But that is just my gut, and if I did everything by my gut, I guess I'd be, like, maybe, President or something. I'd like to see the numbers, though in this case it is almost certainly difficult to determine whether any gains have been caused by AA, or what the failures mean.<BR/><BR/>Here's an interesting observation, though perhanps an aside. 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Of course, that would be the white-privilage speaking, wouldn't it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03420010139647505327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-8791526534023150352007-08-15T00:10:00.000-04:002007-08-15T00:10:00.000-04:00My own experience teaching first-year undergrads a...My own experience teaching first-year undergrads at a fairly large institution--sadly, often it seemed that the minority students I had in my classes were less prepared for college-level work than their white or Asian counterparts (although not always, by any means). In terms of writing skills--spelling and punctuation, sentence and paragraph construction, and reading comprehension, they often lagged behind. They also tended to have worse attendance records, and worse records of work completion. I still remember one student--he was one of the most talkative in class, really demonstrated an engagement with the material, vitally contributed to and stimulated class discussion--but he ended up failing the class because he didn't turn in any of the major assignments and I couldn't grade him on work I hadn't received. <BR/><BR/>I've heard it argued that affirmative action can set such students up for failure, by getting them into universities where they can't keep up with the work, so for example a student that might have done just fine at a Tier II university gets into a Tier I institution because of AA and ends up flunking out. Or that AA encourages students to immediately attend four-year institutions who might have benefited from a year or so at a community college to get their writing and studying skills up to snuff. I think there's some truth to that. The impulse behind AA is a good one, but no one's interests are served by admitting unqualified students--least of all the interests of the students themselves, who have been set up to fail instead of taught how to achieve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-16790103108161278712007-08-14T21:14:00.000-04:002007-08-14T21:14:00.000-04:00You have absolutely struck on something here. And ...You have absolutely struck on something here. And that is, in the Latino (or Black) communities, academics is not a priority.<BR/>Give these kids a break. Make them attend a Japanese/Korean/Chinese school. Let them spend a few nights a week in these ethnic homes. Let the light bulb come on in their heads.<BR/>Guess what kids in the Asian families do at night?<BR/>THEY STUDY!! Their parents push them to do ALL of their homework, AND MORE!!<BR/>My kids are 50% Korean. They are very bright and at the top of their class. We have noticed the performance data by ethnic group for high schools in our area. We avoid sending our kids to the heavily latino or black schools, for one very simple reason. This environment is not conducive to high academic performance. It is a CULTURAL DIFFERENCE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com