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No one got upset about them, as far as I know, until a few people decided to be offended.<BR/><BR/>mythago: I agree that there is a lot of confusion resulting from the mix of secular and religious elements in Christmas celebrations.<BR/><BR/>A few years ago, I saw a review in the paper of some major city (I think it was the <I>Dallas Morning News</I>) of the Christmas show at the city's music hall. The reviewer complained that the last 20 minutes of the show was a representation, in dance I think, of the story of the Nativity and the visit from the Magi -- he felt that audience were basically lured into a secular show with Santas, reindeer, dancers in glittering snowflake suits, etc., and then suddenly beaten over the head with religious propaganda. Well, geez ... it <I>is</I> called a CHRISTMAS show!Cathy Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688616617444359647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134250971913096272005-12-10T16:42:00.000-05:002005-12-10T16:42:00.000-05:00Christmas is so secular to begin withIt's a Christ...<I>Christmas is so secular to begin with</I><BR/><BR/>It's a Christian holiday with many secular and cultural trappings. It never fails to amaze me how many people will hum along with carols with lyrics like "born the king of Israel" and put a star or angel on their tree, and then express shock, SHOCK! that anyone might spot a little Jesus in there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134153406765676732005-12-09T13:36:00.000-05:002005-12-09T13:36:00.000-05:00What I think really gets to people, (at least this...What I think really gets to people, (at least this is what I think and it's human nature to project ;-) is that the problem is that Christmas is so secular to begin with. It's sort of like adding insult to injury to take a holiday that has overwhelming secular observation and claim offense that people observe it. It makes sense that few people got all het up about "Happy Holidays" or even "Season's Greetings" when people had "Christmas" vacation from school and "Christmas" parties at work even while everyone knew that for a great many people this was about Santa Claus. One of my Jewish friends tells me that her parents allowed a Christmas tree and presents... it just wasn't seen as religious enough by them to bother making a fuss over.<BR/><BR/>So when we take what is a secularized holiday *already* and claim that calling it "Christmas" is so very bad it does seem like those up in arms about changing it to a "Winter Festival" aren't reacting to the impossition of religion but really are waging an active war on the mere *taint* of Christianity.<BR/><BR/>I know Christians who do *not* exchange gifts, who do *not* put up a Christmas tree, though they decorate with Nativity scenes and church services and Christmas dinners. Losing the commercialization of the holiday is a good thing. Christians will make their observances in any case. But I don't think they are off their rockers to interpret the deliberate removal of the word "Christ" as anything other than hostile.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134140906844145602005-12-09T10:08:00.000-05:002005-12-09T10:08:00.000-05:00LOL, Adrienne! Excellent ideas.eb -- I don't freq...LOL, Adrienne! Excellent ideas.<BR/><BR/>eb -- I don't frequently write about Russia and the former Soviet Union these days, but I do sometimes. One of my recent columns, which you can find on my website, is about the rollback of democracy in Russia.Cathy Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688616617444359647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134119744587228102005-12-09T04:15:00.000-05:002005-12-09T04:15:00.000-05:00I started sending out Happy Holidays cards when I ...I started sending out Happy Holidays cards when I got tired of having to buy separate cards for my Jewish friends. Am I cheap or just lazy? Maybe I just capitulated to the worst elements of our culture without even knowing it. <BR/><BR/>BTW, I'm new to your blog Cathy and look forward to reading more. I am living in Ukraine now. Since you are from Moscow, do you post about this region and its history? Or am I being presumptious?BBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06396930020494095550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134111206394680292005-12-09T01:53:00.000-05:002005-12-09T01:53:00.000-05:00I note that NRO protector-from-Star-Trek K. Lopez ...I note that NRO protector-from-Star-Trek K. Lopez is on the President's Christmas card list, and she notes that <A HREF="http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_12_04_corner-archive.asp#084149" REL="nofollow">her card</A> contains a psalm:<BR/><BR/>"I have in my hands a White House Christmas card. I open the card. There is a presidential seal. Below the seal is Psalm 28:7<BR/><BR/> The Lord is my strength and my shield;<BR/><BR/> In him my heart trusts;<BR/><BR/> So I am helped, and my heart exults,<BR/><BR/> And with my song I give thanks to him<BR/><BR/>The card then says: "With best wishes for a holiday season of hope and happiness. 2005" And is signed by the president and first lady."Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07160061641869302097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134029425288141402005-12-08T03:10:00.000-05:002005-12-08T03:10:00.000-05:00literatedog, many thanks!literatedog, many thanks!Cathy Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09688616617444359647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134019536528081212005-12-08T00:25:00.000-05:002005-12-08T00:25:00.000-05:00It doesn't cost us anything, reader_iam. The Repub...It doesn't cost us anything, reader_iam. The Republican National Committee covers the costs.<BR/><BR/>I posted this very article today on a community website where I often visit and debate issues. The utter...silliness...of some people will never cease to amaze me. It'd be very amusing if it weren't part of a greater cultural debate.<BR/><BR/>By the way, Cathy. I'm a very big fan of yours. I've been linking to and posting your articles from Reason for years now. I love the blog here and read it every day. I'm sometimes a bit shy about posting at a new place, but I wanted to let you how much I admire your ideas, passion, and insight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134002982504718152005-12-07T19:49:00.000-05:002005-12-07T19:49:00.000-05:00I wonder how many people (myself included) saw the...I wonder how many people (myself included) saw the story and made some manner of the same O'Reilly joke...Poohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088628100700088755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11306845.post-1134002300887496032005-12-07T19:38:00.000-05:002005-12-07T19:38:00.000-05:00I, too, laughed out loud when I saw that story.Do ...I, too, laughed out loud when I saw that story.<BR/><BR/>Do these people have no sense of the ridiculous?<BR/><BR/>Man, with 1.4 people to send greetings to (hmmmm ... wonder what <I>that</I> costs us?), OF COURSE the White House Staff is going to send out a generic.<BR/><BR/>For pete's sake: Is it so hard to get that these cards are really just perfunctory nods to tradition and courtesy <I>precisely <B>because</B> they're from the White House</I>? Meaning, not President Bush himself? In the same way that every Christmas/Holiday or whatever card has been sent <B>from the White House, not its current presider</B> for yea, these many years?<BR/><BR/>I mean, it's not like it makes practical sense to do what ordinary, pragmatic people do. Who employ a variety of methods to deal with the issue, depending on their personal preferences.<BR/><BR/>(I, myself, for example, have been known to send a variety of cards, depending on the situation <I>of the recipient(!)</I>, of all bizarre ideas. I've even been know to send out Thanksgiving or New Year's cards to Jewish friends who both eschew the secular notion of Christmas AND dislike the artificial elevation of <I>Chanukah</I>, but to whom I want to express my goodwill. Go figure.)<BR/><BR/>And DONOHUE. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but when either he or, on the other side of the so-called "religious wars," Pastor Barry Lind show up as a pundit on almost ANY issue, I don't know whether to run for the nearest prayer book or a copy of Fletcher's "Situational Ethics," or simply to go blind.<BR/><BR/>This whole issue is a tempest in a teapot.<BR/><BR/>As I very much appreciate your continuing to point out, and in a much more tempered way than my comment here.<BR/><BR/>; )reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.com